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Dyer Harp Mandolins and the Harp Plectral Quartet |
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by Gregg Miner, as part of - with assistance from Robert Hartman |
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| Two years later, Dyer still had not come out with a new
harp mandolin ad. However, in November, 1910, Cadenza ran this
photo of "The Symphony Harp Quartet." All three
instruments are of the common (only known) style - the lower bass bout
point has been relocated to the other side. Clearly then, at some
point between late 1908 and late 1910, the Larsons had re-designed the
harp mandolin and started producing them.
PENDING CLUE: We do have one additional clue: Harp Mandolin serial #141 – which almost certainly corresponds to the 41st harp mandolin built – was inscribed on an inside brace with a date: December 25, 1910. Since it could not have been inscribed through the soundhole, it must have been done by the builder during construction. Logically then, forty harp mandolins were built before December, 1910. That would seem to put #101 (perhaps the ad prototype?) in late 1908, then ramping up pretty quickly after a short period for the body design change (the mysterious lack of ads notwithstanding). |
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Knutsen, Gaskin, Livermore Harp Mandolins
Knutsen's own harp mandolins were of several designs, none of which copied either of the Dyer designs. We have even more of a problem dating Knutsen's harp mandolins than Dyers. With Knutsen, there are no "smoking gun" labels or photos that put them before 1910 - other than one unusual specimen bearing a cut off harp guitar label from the 1906-1908 period. The thinking - proposed by Noe and Most in their book - is that Knutsen was prevented from offering his own harp mandolin until December, 1910, when the Livermore harp mandolin patent expired. As the book explains, Knutsen was clearly aware of the Livermore patent (and the timeframe) as Livermore was his own witness, who apparently quickly went behind Knutsen's back to patent his own bowlback mandolin version of Knutsen's harp guitar. Bob Hartman and I wondered if Knutsen was prevented from building a harp mando before 1911, why wasn't Dyer? An additional point - that Tom and Dan's book omitted - is the Gaskin harp mandolin patent, which appeared a year earlier (expiring on the very last day of 1909). Did that not prevent Knutsen or Dyer as well? It was actually far closer in design that the Livermore illustration. For that matter, how could Livermore get his patent approved with the Gaskin already in place?! Well, as patent expert Tom Noe explained to me recently, both were design patents - and substantially different "designs" of the same basic concept. So both could co-exist. Conceivably then, couldn't Knutsen's and Dyer's harp mandolins have also been allowed as non-conflicting designs? Probably, depending on who was reviewing a patent infringement claim. Whether Knutsen was aware of the Gaskin patent or not, he may have been being cautious, simply because of the Livermore patent and a potential problem there. How then, did Dyer & Bro. consider the two existing patents? Were they even aware of them? As shown above, Dyer introduced a "prototype" harp mandolin that was never built - or at the least, very short-lived (none have ever been seen outside the one ad). I hypothesize above how they may have been appropriating Knutsen's design, who subsequently may have made enough of a stink to convince them to change this design (which they did, whatever the cause). It is not easy to date Dyer harp mandolin #101 through #141 (dated 12-25,1910). But clearly they were built and sold before the Livermore patent expired. Were they also built before the Gaskin expired? Or could that have been part of the reason they pulled the ad? Meaning, if not from Knutsen's complaints, then a Gaskin representative threatening action after seeing the first Dyer harp mando image? Dyer could have ignored them - as Tom Noe explains, theirs didn't infringe on the spefic design - or they could have been concerned just enough to wait until the beginning of 1910 to start up again. They could even have had the Larsons continue to build (and serialize) instruments during this imaginined hiatus to "hit the ground running" on January 1st, 1910. Such a case could have gotten them up to harp mandolin #141 by Christmas Day, 1910. |
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| Ever since we discovered evidence of Dyer's pre-Larson association with Knutsen, I've often thought about the mutual awareness of this "triumvirate" (Knutsen/Dyer/Larsons) - especially after the discovery of this amazing instrument: |
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Dyer in the BMG Magazines: An Illustrated History (Members Only) |
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See also Robert Hartman's site: http://www.larsonscreations.com And finally...if you don't have this book by now, you should! Signed copies available from Bob, or unsigned from Harp Guitar Music. To: The Knutsen-Dyer Connection (Dyer harp guitar study) |
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