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		Timeline Hypotheses Evidence 
		Most of this 
		material is included here on Harpguitars.net, and includes the Knutsen 
		Patents, the Livermore and Gaskin harp mandolin patents, the 
		Knutsen/Dyer flyer, the complete BMG advertising run, and the many 
		instruments themselves, including the critical label information. 
		Unfortunately, some of the latter data may be faulty due to misread, mis-communicated, 
		or poorly photographed or inspected labels.  
		Before attempting 
		an understanding of the material below, I would
		highly recommend reading the Knutsen and Larson books, 
		re-familiarizing yourself with the 
		
		
		patents,
		continuing with the 
		
		
		overview of models, 
		and then studying the complete 
		BMG advertising 
		run. 
		Next is my 
		original 2010 list of conflicting or unproven information and 
		evidence. Happily, some of this has since been solved. 
		Next is my 
		original 2010 list of conflicting or unproven information and 
		evidence. Happily, some of this has since been solved. 
		A) The Cadenza ad of December, 1901 showing a Type 1 
			Dyer Symphony harp guitar 
		B) The various harp guitars of Type 2 design that have 
			very low serial numbers, along with hard-to-read numbers 
		C) The mention of a “1906 model” referring to the Type 2 
			design introduced in December, 1904 
		D) The handwritten “1909” of Stephen Bennett’s harp 
			guitar with serial number 669, the claim of a patent on all 
			post-Knutsen Dyer labels, and Knutsen’s claim of “sole patentee” on 
			his own labels 
		E) The unknown date of introduction of the “lower bass 
			point” harp guitars built by both Knutsen and the Larsons 
		F) The use of “Style 3” for the Type 3 design, whereas 
			“Style 4 through 8” are used for ornamentation designations on the 
			Type 2 design, while Style “1” and “2” have never turned up 
		G) Duplicate serial numbers What 
		follows is my 2010 discussion of the bullets above. I have mostly left 
		his intact (for archival purposes),
		but include new 
		text in red where I have resolved or changed my opinion. 
		 
 
			
				| A) The 1901
        Cadenza ad 
		
		This curious ad conundrum was finally put to rest in 2024 when harp 
		guitarist Randall Sprinkle shared with me a cryptic historic photo which 
		I tracked down to the Wisconsin Historical Society, who subsequently 
		licensed it for our use and provided the critical high-resolution image.
		
		You can read the story here.  
		The reason it proved frustrating for the last dozen-plus years is 
		discussed below (now redundant, I’m archiving all these discoveries and 
		updates as they happened, for history’s (and my) sake: 
		The first 
		ad that Dyer ran depicting a harp guitar appeared in The Cadenza in 
		December, 1901.  It shows a frustratingly stylized woodcut of a 
		Knutsen-style (Larson’s Dyer Type 1) Symphony harp guitar. The headstock 
		appears to represent a clean, slotted, Larson-made headstock, though the 
		neck itself is offset significantly to the treble side as in a Knutsen.  
		The depicted 10th fret marker (rather than 9th) 
		was used by both Knutsen and the Larsons (though not consistently).  The 
		neck heel could be an attempt at depicting either the traditional Larson 
		heel or the "bulgy" butt-joint heel of early Knutsens like HGT15 and 
		HGT1.  This same ad ran all the way through November, 1904 – with one 
		curious five-month gap - when it was immediately replaced by a similar 
		ad with a woodcut of the Type 2 version.  Our key questions: 
		Was Dyer still distributing Knutsen instruments through 1904?  Or did 
		this ad depict the first of the Larson-built, Knutsen-licensed Type 1 
		instruments?  Or yet another possibility – that the ad covered both 
		Knutsen and, later, Larson instruments? | 
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				| Bob and I originally agreed that the woodcut
        represented a Larson-built Symphony harp guitar. 
        The artist was presumably copying an actual instrument (or a
        picture of one), and the "Waverly-style" tuners on the slotted
        headstock seemed a dead giveaway.  Knutsen
        simply never did this on any known Symphony specimens. 
        In fact, by 1902, he would permanently switch to a solid
        headstock with geared tuners.  Moreover, by 1902, Knutsen had
        abandoned this model, experimenting with his very inconsistent
        “Evolving” Symphony harp guitars for the next few years. 
        We further interpreted the illustration as depicting a neck heel
        – which Knutsen never did, but was typical of Larsons. 
        The offset neck I attributed to shoddy draftsmanship. 
        Finally, we had to acknowledge that there are no known specimens
        of Knutsen-built instruments with a Dyer label.
         And yet….not being able to fit the serial numbers into a timeline
        implied by all of the ads, I’ve taken a new, harder look at this
        particular ad. |  
				| For one thing, rather than ignore the neck placement and
        crude neck heel, let’s consider them. 
        To my eye, the heel looks a
        lot closer to the Knutsen bulge – rare, but seen on several early Symphony instruments (see photo)
        – than a Larson-style heel (photo). 
        If we are to take the neck
        at face value, then it clearly represents Knutsen’s significantly
        offset neck, which is like no other. 
        On the Larson’s similar Type 1 the neck would be barely offset
        to the right (ending up slightly offset to the bass side on the Type
        2s).  Taking
        the headstock and tuners at face value, we clearly see a Larson. 
        The result: It does not add up. 
        If we take everything in the drawing literally, we end up with a
        chimera of an instrument that does not exist. 
        So
        how do we decipher it?
         An alternative scenario that I find perfectly reasonable is that
        the engraver copied an image of a Knutsen
        harp guitar, and when they got to the difficult-to-resolve mess of
        Knutsen’s early headstock – with its crude individual tapered
        “slots” - they simply borrowed a design from a more traditional
        guitar (virtually any early 6-string image lying around would have
        sufficed).  This scenario
        would then negate the argumentative clue above about Knutsen switching
        to a solid headstock, as the ad drawing was completed before that time.  If
        true, the fact that Dyer didn’t then bother to change the image when
        the Larsons finally did produce this model could be explained by the fact that the image
        already “looked like” their version. 
        Both makers had fully bound versions of this design, by the way. 
        We now know that Dyer was already distributing Knutsen’s own
        labeled instruments around 1900, without any apparent qualms – so
        there is no real reason to be alarmed by the lack of Dyer-labeled
        Knutsens distributed for another couple of years.  The
        1901 Cadenza ad advertising (Knutsen) “Symphony Harp Guitars” as
        being sold by Dyer would not be unusual.
         Whatever you (or I) might think of the two scenarios above, let’s
        call this a draw for now. |  Knutsen
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				|  Dyer
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				But another problem with this ad is that it ran 
				for twenty-one consecutive months, then after a 
				five-month hiatus, returned for another ten months.  
				That’s a full three years of production for a Dyer model of 
				which there are only four specimens known!  One 
				caveat about the 5-month interruption: they ran a new ad for 
				their line of strings for four of these months, so it is 
				possible, that it wasn't so much a "harp guitar hiatus" as a 
				"new promotion" of a new product (Sterling Strings).  And yet - 
				it seems more than strange that Knutsen's Symphony harp guitars 
				from this same period outnumber the Larson Type 1 Symphony by 
				over 20 to 1, when Knutsen did little or no 
				advertising.  A reasonably logical answer to this dilemma might 
				be to consider my alternative theory of the previous paragraph – 
				that the 1901 image was in fact representing a Knutsen 
				– and that the six-month gap (September, 1903 through February, 
				1904) possibly coincides with a period where Knutsen was “let 
				go” and the Larsons were hired and gearing up to copy the 
				Knutsen model.  Knutsen was indeed experimenting with many 
				different features in 1902 and beyond, and his quality and 
				aesthetics were only getting worse in general – so Dyer would 
				have understandably become fed up by this point.  It does 
				seem strange that Dyer would simply re-use the old Knutsen ad 
				and not roll out a big new campaign, but there is a similar and 
				even more inexplicable lack of any sense of excitement when they 
				unveil the Type 2 just nine months later.  I thus don’t see 
				any of this as a deal-breaker in the clue department. 
				Update, October 2011: 
				
				Now that a fourth Type 1 specimen has been found – the first 
				with a legible Style number (“5” – more on this significance 
				below), we finally have some better clues. Specifically, that 
				two of the four known Type 1 serial numbers are now known – 125 
				and 127 – which we believe equates to the 25th and 27th 
				instrument built. With the lowest confirmed serial number of the 
				Type 2 being 140, this would suggest that somewhere between 27 
				and 39 Type 1’s were produced. Update, March 2020: A fifth Type 
				1 specimen - the earliest so far - has the Knutsen-signed label 
				with serial # 120. The Style may again read 5 - in this case, a 
				small "05." It too has the simple appointments of the Type 2 
				Style 4. 
				
				Bottom line: When taking not only the number of surviving 
				specimens into account, but also trying to fit the early Dyer 
				serial numbers into these two opposing scenarios, I find myself 
				consistently favoring a Knutsen-then-Larson scenario for the 
				December, 1901 through November, 1904 “Type 1” Cadenza ad. (Just 
				remember that I could be completely wrong)  
				
				Counterpoint: 
				Bob recently pointed out the question of the Maurer Company 
				which August Larson bought with other investors in 1900.  He 
				wonders if this could have been a business venture 
				specifically to be able to handle a new Dyer contract.  I 
				also find this timing intriguing – however I’m not too inclined 
				to weigh in on it, simply because of my stance above (the low 
				numbers of instruments found).  Nevertheless, this newly-formed 
				company certainly could have been a key factor in the success of 
				the Dyer line.  Something Bob has never really explored and 
				shared with us until recently is the fact that the new Maurer 
				Company might very well have had an unknown quantity of 
				additional employees to assist in production. They could easily 
				have employed workers from Maurer’s factory, for example.  It is 
				also not known whether August’s partners (Longworthy and Lewis) 
				were luthiers or just businessmen.  The Larsons were a legendary 
				“two-man shop” all right – but the key word is “legendary.”  
				That lore came from Bob’s family members much later, and they 
				may have known nothing of the early Maurer years.   Here is 
				Bob's latest write-up for us on the Maurer Company:
 
					
						
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							The Dawn of Maurer & Co. 
							
							
							by Robert C. Hartman 
							Robert Maurer was a music teacher and importer of 
							musical instruments, the first published notice 
							being in 1886. The year of 1894 is the probable date 
							of his first factory production using the firm name 
							of Maurer Mandolins and Guitars. In 1897 the name 
							was changed to Maurer & Co. and he produced the 
							Champion brand of guitars and mandolins, probably 
							concurrently with some branded Maurer. (I have 
							recently found “New Model” Maurer branded mandolins 
							with very early features including a different 
							shaped peghead (larger, squared-off) than in any of 
							the later styles 
							In March of 1900 Maurer sold the company to August 
							Larson and two investors and/or luthiers for $2,500. 
							I would think for that tidy sum the purchase would 
							have included the whole operation of Maurer & Co. 
							including remaining inventory of instruments. This 
							statement leads to the possible answer for the very 
							few circa dated instruments made in those first few 
							years. It also raises the question, what were their 
							serial numbers? It is just as possible that my circa 
							dates for Larson built Maurer instruments should be 
							earlier. 
							
							It is my belief that the brothers built mandolins, 
							guitars and harp guitars for Regal Mfg. in 
							Indianapolis during the span from 1901 to 1904, 
							which would add to their production. These 
							instruments had their own serial number series so 
							they did not mingle with the Larson system, which 
							appears to have started at 101. |  
				
				New Bottom Line: 
				
				Obviously, Bob won that one! But it took him 14 years and my own 
				article and conclusions to make it happen!  
					
					
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				B) Type 2 Dyer harp guitars with very low serial numbers and 
				hard-to-read numbers 
				It is now clear that the Larsons built the Type 1 
				harp guitar first, and then created the Type 2, abandoning 
				Knutsen’s design. That’s not to say that there couldn’t have 
				been some overlap. So, you would think that as we collected 
				serial numbers, the Type 1s would be found with very low 
				numbers, and the Type 2s would generally have higher numbers 
				than the highest Type 1. If only it were that simple! 
				 
				
				One problem that plagues us is indirect evidence. There 
				are a lot of entries on Bob’s old list (and even some on my 
				later list) that came from a questionable source. Even when we
				know the source, if we don’t see a decent photograph 
				of the label at the very least, then we are just taking 
				their word for it. We have long since learned that faded ink or 
				pencil and/or sloppy handwriting can easily cause a number to be 
				misread, and even if legible, someone’s hasty scribble and 
				subsequent letter or email to us of their provenance can yield 
				errors.  
					
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						Here is an example of difficult to read Dyer labels:   |  |  |  |  |  
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				Note the handwritten number 5 and 6 in the series, 
				starting from the left. Personally, I cannot judge how many of 
				these serial numbers are in the same hand or penned by different 
				individuals. The label on the right has been in my folders for 
				years, but never added to our serial number list. Now I remember 
				why.  I originally couldn't tell if it was "845" or "865."  Can 
				you?  I wasn't sure if that was a second poorly-written "4" or 
				what. I thought the last digit must be a "6." Now that I've seen 
				many written sixes, I realized that that must be "6," meaning 
				the last digit can't be another six, but something else - 
				a "5" with the loop closed (ink bleeding or penmanship).  This 
				is just one example of problematic Dyer labels. 
				Thus, a serial number that we take in good 
				faith - but that may actually be a gross error - is 
				extremely detrimental to our research. For example, #108 is 
				credited to a Type 2 Dyer that appeared on eBay in the distant 
				past. We do not have photos from the ad, nor know if any were 
				even included. We certainly can’t take an eBay seller’s word for 
				it – from what we now know, the number was almost certainly 608 
				or 708. As this suspect number might otherwise make or break our 
				entire timeline and serial number theories, it becomes extremely 
				problematic – dangerous even. While acknowledging that there is 
				a real, if very slim, chance that it is correct, we 
				should certainly make note of it but not use it as 
				evidence (I long ago removed it from the list for this 
				reason). Similarly, other Type 2 numbers may or may not 
				be accurate. 
				
				Bottom line:
				
				
				Help us by submitting clear photographs of your labels.  Try 
				illuminating with a black light in the dark if they are hard to 
				read.  
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				| C)
        		The
        November, 1906 ad that declares “1906 model” of the Type 2 design
        introduced in 1904
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				| This one makes absolutely no sense. Originally, having seen only 
				later ads that mentioned the 1906 model, and we assumed it meant 
				that the Type 2 was introduced in 1906. But we later learned 
				that the Type 2 appeared in the Cadenza ad of 
				December, 1904. It arrived with no fanfare, no major 
				announcement, no special “press release” to the Cadenza editors 
				that this was a major new design or achievement. Just a similar 
				crude woodcut and a claim that it was “constructed on an 
				entirely new principle.” This could be taken different ways 
				– from a simple advertising boast to an interpretation that it 
				refers to either the new builders (the Larsons) or the new 
				design. Note that it also includes the first customer 
				testimonial, which may or may not have been in reference to 
				either a Knutsen Symphony or Larson-built Type 1 instrument. | 
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				Then, in November, 1906 – nearly two years later – 
				Dyer announces the “better than ever” “1906 model.” Yet it 
				features just a poor resolution copy of the exact same woodcut 
				from 1904 (along with a total of five testimonials). Again, this 
				could just be advertising hyperbole (“let’s pretend it’s a new, 
				updated instrument!”), or it could have some critical, 
				as-yet-unknown significance to our research. The sixth 
				sub-bass string wouldn’t show up for another couple years, and 
				we’ve seen no significant Larson design features from the early 
				to the later instruments. I honestly can’t think of anything 
				other than maybe some new construction feature (laminated 
				bracing experiments, etc.?). Perhaps that is where we should be 
				looking – a switch in bracing patterns or quality. 
				Multiple-specimen Dyer repairmen like Kerry Char have long 
				noticed differences in braces: specifically, Kerry has seen the 
				X braces in maple rather than spruce, and several have seen the 
				spruce/rosewood/spruce laminated braces – but we think that that 
				latter feature coincides with the more expensive Style 7 and 8 
				and not necessarily dependent on year built. Certainly, more 
				data is needed.  | 
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				Curiously, in January, 1907, a Dyer ad appeared in the 
				American Music Journal, stating "1907 Symphony Harp Guitars" 
				(Noonan, 2009). I have yet to examine the image, but I suspect 
				there will be nothing surprising. This new finding makes me 
				think that they were just updating the "model" with the new year 
				when the first ads of that year are placed. 
				
				Bottom line: 
				I originally thought this was a tantalizing and unanswerable 
				clue. Now, with the "1907 model" example on top of the original 
				"1906 model" example, I would wager that it actually has 
				no significance.  For now, we can ignore it.  
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				| D) The
        handwritten “1909” on the label of serial number 669 |  
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				We get a lot of “provenance” from unverifiable sources. Often it 
				is a relative who swears that a handed-down instrument was 
				purchased in some specific year – which usually turns out to be 
				unlikely or impossible. Other times there are written notes from 
				a previous owner – either a scrap of paper inside the case or 
				something added to the label. A simple rule is to consider 
				this type of information as a possible clue, weighing both its 
				feasibility and integrity, but to never accept any of it as 
				“evidence.” Such is the case here. On Dyer harp guitar #669 
				– once circa dated 1914 in Bob’s system – there is a handwritten 
				“1909” on the label. As I discuss in an 
				
				
				
				article on this instrument, 
				it may or may not have been purchased new, but with all things 
				considered, has a good 50/50 chance or more of being true. While 
				it is not verifiable “proof,” I have always thought it was worth 
				considering, and now take it “on faith.” | 
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				For it to be true, of course, we would have to A) 
				discard Bob’s old timeline and, B) come up with a completely new 
				dating and serial number system that reasonably placed #669 in 
				1909, while fitting what facts we have. So, to point “A” - we 
				would first need to determine if there was logically a way to 
				abandon the current system, which places the theoretical 
				#601 after February, 1912, when Knutsen’s 14-year 1898 design 
				patent expired. This logically deduced scenario had been a 
				“fact” during the entire duration of our decades of research 
				into Knutsen and the Larsons – adhered to by Bob Hartman, Noe 
				and Most, and myself.  But we never had all the evidence, just
				the reasonable logic of the theory. We do have the 
				findings of Knutsen co-author Tom Noe from his exhaustive search 
				at the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office, which may (or may not) 
				have specific bearing on the case – they “prove” some things but 
				not others. Regardless, I was increasingly frustrated by all the 
				Knutsen and Dyer provenance that didn’t seem to fit the existing 
				1912 theory.  
				So, playing “devil’s advocate,” I first asked 
				myself if there was a way Dyer could have obtained the rights 
				to, or ownership of, Knutsen’s 1898 design patent before 
				it expired in 1912.  Unfortunately, the bottom line is, yes, 
				this could have occurred, but according to Tom Noe,
				did not occur – all of which I will explain next 
				(with good news at the end!). 
				I posed specific questions to both Tom Noe and 
				Dyer owner and law professor John Thomas.  Their answers were 
				very illuminating.  
				
				Q: Could a 14-year design patent be “renewed” or extended?
				 
				
				TN: Patent terms are not extendible or renewable.  35 USC 
				154.  Trademarks and copyrights can be renewed, but patents 
				cannot be. When a design patent application is filed, the 
				patentee selects a term of 3-1/2, 7, or 14 years, and pays an 
				application fee appropriate to the term selected.  Note on the 
				two Knutsen patents that they state "Term of patent 14 years." 
				 
				
				Q: Could two individuals or businesses share this patent? 
				 
				
				JT: Yes. The patent holder can license others to use it.  
				
				
				(so “share” only in the sense that both are allowed to market an 
				item under the contract – but one is a patentee, the other only 
				a licensee – GM)  
				TN: 
				
				(Since) a licensee does rely on the patent owner to enforce the 
				patent if an infringement occurs, it would be reasonable for 
				Dyer to claim that the guitar was protected by a patent.  
				 
				Q:  Would there be a record of the 
				Dyer license?  
				TN: 
				
				There is no requirement to record licenses.  They are basically 
				contracts.  
				Q: 
				Would a patent holder 
				continue to use old labels on instruments to imply the old 
				patent is still valid well past the legal period? 
				 
				JT: 
				Yes. Beyond the Knutsen and Dyer examples, there have been 
				others.  
				TN: 
				
				There is no legal requirement to remove "patented" or patent 
				numbers once the patent expires (this is why we see "C. 
				Knutsen's Patents" on the New Hawaiian Family label long after 
				the expiration of the only patents he had).  (This) raises the 
				question of why isn't a patent owner committing fraud by not 
				taking "Patented" or a patent number off the product.  The 
				answer to that is: #1) saying the product is patented is true 
				(falsity is an element of fraud), and #2) it would place an 
				undue burden on a patent owner to recall every product with a 
				patent number on it.   
				
				Q: What about the licensee (Dyer)?  
				
				TN: A licensee merely has a right to use (infringe) a patent. 
				When the patent expires, anyone can use the patent subject 
				matter.  I suppose that Dyer could still say that the design was 
				patented, but couldn't rely on Knutsen for enforcement purposes. 
				 
				
				Q: What does “sole factors” mean on the new September, 1908 
				Dyer ad?  
				
				JT: In this context, I'm confident that "factor" means agent. From 
				
				
				
				www.dictionary.com:
 
				5. a person who acts or transacts business for 
				another; an agent.6. an agent entrusted with the possession of goods to be 
				sold in the agent's.
 
				
				It's not a use that one hears these days, but it crops up in old 
				business law cases.  Dyer & Bro. were advertising that they were 
				the exclusive agents for selling (this) harp guitar.  They used 
				the plural because the company was "W.J. Dyer & Bro." 
				 
				
				TN: Yes, “sole factors” means they were the only agents selling 
				Dyer guitars.  
				
				And the $1,000 question…..  
				
				Q: Could a (design) patent be transferred back in 1906? 
				 
				
				JT: Yes. From the enactment of the first patent act in 1790, 
				patents have been considered intellectual property that can be 
				transferred, licensed, etc.  
				TN: (Yes, but) 
				the law requires that 
				any transfer of patent rights be recorded in the PTO, both in 
				ownership records and on the file jacket.  The transfer of ownership records 
				don't exist.  So, Dyer was a (only a) licensee until 1912…since 
				Knutsen's patents expired by 1912 (14 years from 1898 on the 
				second Knutsen design patent), there were no longer any rights 
				to own.  
				I pressed Tom on how certain he was, as my whole 
				“theory” may well have rested on this.  He provided further 
				details of his search and his qualifications for same, and 
				indeed, the case seems to be closed.  
				
				TN: A transfer of ownership of patent rights is known as an 
				"assignment."  The PTO maintains assignment records - drawers 
				and drawers of them because most patents were assigned to 
				companies by employee-inventors who had to as a condition of 
				employment.  Even a sale of a patent from one company to another 
				is an assignment.  If a company acquires another company, all 
				the patents in the acquired company's portfolio have to be 
				assigned because failure to assign with a period of time results 
				in an unenforceable patent.   If you have a patent number, you 
				can go to the assignment records and find out who the owner is.  
				I did that, so I know. 
 In the last five years of my corporate practice, I was 
				Intellectual Property Counsel for Danaher Corporation.  Among 
				other duties, I was a member of Danaher's acquisition due 
				diligence team evaluating patent and trademark portfolios of 
				target companies to ensure that rights hadn't expired and that 
				there were no defective assignments.  I only mention this 
				because I spent hours going through assignment records and was 
				quite proficient at it.
 
 Without an assignment, it is fraud for another, including a 
				licensee, to claim ownership rights in a patent because it 
				is a false claim with intent to deceive the public.
 
				So there you have it.  It appears that Dyer did 
				not take over the Knutsen patent prior to its expiration in 
				1912.  
				Tom has blown my entire theory…or has he…?
				 
				
				Not at all. 
				
				I realized that I was 
				exploring a “patent transfer theory” not just in hopes of moving 
				up the 600-series labels (and all Dyer dates) but at the same 
				time to explain why the “Patented in U.S. & Canada” remained on 
				Dyer instrument labels so far beyond the 1912 expiration date.  
				(My “patent extension” question was for this same reason).  
				Since it felt like a related clue I was focused (and stuck) on 
				this theory.  In any event, based on Tom’s answers above, the 
				latter question remains unanswerable with specifics, but perhaps 
				simple overall – Dyer was in a gray area and chose to just 
				continue using pre-1912 labels that included “Patented.”  The 
				law allows the patentee to do so, a licensee might very well 
				gamble on the same “scare tactics.”  As there is no other 
				rational or legal explanation, and this did take place, 
				what other answer is there? 
				
				But wait a minute, you’re saying – Dyer didn’t 
				continue a label in 1912, they switched! (from 
				the Knutsen-signed label to the standard Dyer label) 
				
				Ah hah!  
				
				Wrong.  They had already switched labels much earlier.  Assuming 
				this is true, wouldn’t it better fit with Tom’s explanation of 
				patent law above for Dyer to have continued with a pre-existing 
				label (burden of recalling labeled products, etc.)?  As opposed 
				to fraudulently creating a brand new label in 1912 
				after the Knutsen patent expired…which again claimed 
				“patented.”…?  Both options involve a gray area of patent 
				law and marketing, but with the “1912 new label” option 
				appearing so much less tenable, it (to me) bolsters the idea 
				that Dyer had to have switched labels earlier. 
				
				But how?  
				I can think of many reasons why Dyer would 
				have done this, and how most of the clues better fit this 
				timeline, and even how it all jibes with what we know of 
				Knutsen.  As to how, I simply assumed “Why not? What do 
				we imagine might have prevented such a simple and obvious 
				event?”  I just needed to make sure that it could have 
				happened. 
				So, a final email to Tom Noe, patent expert, 
				Knutsen expert… 
				
				Q: Tom, the final $10,000 question: Is there any reason to 
				think, or insist, (or have legal basis for) that Knutsen had 
				to continue to sign the Dyer labels for the full ten or so 
				years of the license?  
				I also included for Tom a re-cap of some pertinent 
				facts: 
				
				1.   
				
				
				Knutsen’s applicable patent was in effect from 1898 to Feb 15, 
				1912. 
				
				2.   
				
				
				Dyer licensed this patent from Knutsen starting sometime between 
				1901 and 1904 (we now know this was 
				1901) 
				
				3.   
				
				
				Dyer printed up labels, which were sent to Knutsen, who signed 
				them and returned them. These were sent to the Larsons, who 
				entered serial numbers and installed them in the Dyer 
				instruments.  
				
				4.   
				
				
				All of these labels have serial numbers only in the 100 or 200s.
				 
				
				5.   
				
				 When Dyer switched to a NEW label 
				- one without Knutsen's signature - the numbers jumped to 600.
				 
				
				6.   
				
				
				There is no record of Knutsen transferring his patent to Dyer.
				 
				
				Could not the licensing contract simply have been revised so 
				that Knutsen's signature was not necessary?   
				
				TN: There is no legal requirement that Knutsen had to sign 
				labels, except by contract.  Of course, we have no written 
				contract so we don't know exactly what the arrangement was.  But 
				the fact that the first few labels were notarized tells me that 
				Knutsen didn't trust Dyer initially, and relaxed a bit as time 
				went by and subsequent labels were signed but not notarized.  It 
				is really unusual for a licensor to sign labels or products.  I 
				think this was Knutsen's way of keeping track of royalties, at 
				least at first. 
 One possibility is that Dyer negotiated a paid-up license 
				so that the parties didn't have to deal with labels/instruments 
				on a piece-meal basis.  (Regarding the gap between Dyer serial 
				number series) it could be that Knutsen initially signed 500 
				labels, 300 of which were returned when some new arrangement was 
				reached. So Dyer designed a new label, and started with serial 
				number 601.  That’s one scenario.
 
 Bottom line: your theory holds water.  By the way, paid-up 
				patent licenses are quite common.  What that means is that for 
				some agreed-upon royalty figure, the license is paid up for the 
				term of the patent.  It eliminates all the reporting, paying 
				ongoing royalties, and having the licensor looking over your 
				shoulder.
 
				And so, once again, there you have it.  Understand 
				that we don’t have proof that such a thing occurred.  
				But also understand that, similarly, we don’t have any proof
				(and little reason to continue to believe) that the 
				Knutsen-signed label continued all the way up to the expiration 
				of his patent in 1912. 
				I don’t know how simple this seems to you, or how 
				long it has taken you to read, absorb and ponder.  It has taken 
				me years, months, weeks, and now many dozens of hours to rewrite 
				for the hundredth time – so I know it’s complicated and 
				convoluted, but I hope the reader considers that I’m on to 
				something. 
				Regarding Tom’s interesting speculation above 
				about the labels jumping in sequence, it might make sense if 
				these “500 labels” were all serialized, but they weren’t – they 
				were left blank for the Larsons to fill in. (Update, Sept, 
				2011: though now I’m wondering that – since the red 
				pencil/ink of Knutsen’s signature and the Style and Serial 
				numbers seem to match up, that Knutsen didn’t possibly do all 
				that himself…?)  In any event, I’ve studied American fretted 
				instrument history long enough to conclude that maker’s serial 
				numbering systems are often convoluted and arbitrary. 
				 
				Now, using the above premise, I’ll re-examine the 
				Knutsen/Dyer timeline.  
				We know that Knutsen signed the earliest 
				Larson-built Dyer harp guitars, and that the U.S. and Canada 
				patent referred to on the label was his (Knutsen’s c.1899 labels 
				also listed “England”).  We can thus safely say that there 
				was a licensing agreement between Dyer and Knutsen in this 
				period, which presumably started when Dyer stopped distributing 
				Knutsen instruments and instead commissioned the Larsons to 
				build a better version.  This must have been in either 
				mid-to-late1901, as evidenced by the Emory Bennett photo 
				discovery. 
				At this point, with the Larsons building 
				substantially more professional instruments, what if Dyer wanted 
				to completely distance himself from Knutsen, whose name was 
				still on the labels?  Might not Dyer’s customer get the 
				impression that Knutsen built their instrument since he signed 
				it?  Dyer would never subsequently credit the deserving Larsons 
				for their work – wouldn’t he have been even more reluctant to 
				have Knutsen’s name on the label?!  Remember that this would 
				have been going on for a full ten-plus years during the height 
				of Dyer’s Cadenza ad campaign.  
				As stated above, I find it much more likely that 
				Dyer convinced Knutsen (with financial incentive or otherwise) 
				to re-negotiate their licensing contract.  If such an event 
				occurred, it would not take effect until mid or late 1906 at the 
				earliest, and mid-1908 at the latest 
				(Note: I’ve now placed the specific Dyer events at mid-1908), 
				and here is what would have theoretically happened: 
				Knutsen would 
				stop signing Dyer labels and the new Dyer labels would be 
				issued.  
				The “600” series 
				of serial numbers for harp guitars would begin 
				(this almost certainly coincided with the label change). 
				Knutsen would 
				stop using “Symphony” on his labels, while Dyer continued 
				using it (this is a known fact, with an 
				approximate date of this very period. Specifically, circa 1906 
				he went from “Sole Patentee of the Symphony Harp Guitar with 11 
				Strings” to “Sole Patentee of the Harp Guitar with 11 Strings.  
				The theoretical reason being that Knutsen has now 
				licensed the exclusive use of the “Symphony” name to Dyer. 
				Knutsen would 
				still claim “Sole Patentee” on his labels 
				and Dyer would claim “Patented 
				in the U.S. & Canada” (these are both facts: for Knutsen, 
				the approximate dates of 1906/1907 through 1913/1914 for this 
				label feature are fairly accurate, while the Dyer date is the 
				unknown. 
				Knutsen would 
				begin making only his “lower bass point” (a pointed 
				flare on the lower bass bout) and “double point” harp guitars 
				(this is a fact, with an approximate date of this very period).  
				Many of these would be shorter ¾ scale instruments. 
				The Larsons 
				would also build a “lower bass point” harp guitar with a short 
				scale.  
				I had dubbed this a “Type 3” Dyer, and by complete coincidence 
				it was also labeled a “Style 3.”  It was built right at the 
				start of the label change, as every specimen found with a label 
				has a serial number in the very low 600’s (this is a fact, 
				though the date of this label change is unknown,
				though I have now moved it to mid-1908).  
				It is not known who copied who on this design
				(presumably the Larsons copied Knutsen), 
				but it is clear that Knutsen built them from circa 1906/7 to 
				1913/1914, but not beyond, and that the Dyer version appears to 
				have been only made for a very short time coinciding with the 
				low 600 serial numbers. 
				Dyer would state 
				“Sole Factors” on their ads beginning in September, 1908 
				(this is a known fact. However, I no longer think it relates to 
				the new license or new exclusivity of the “Symphony” term 
				[though it may].  It more likely means that Dyer was merely the 
				“sole agent” for selling Dyer harp guitars. 
				Dyer would also 
				introduce a harp mandolin (this is a fact –
				once believed to have occurred in the fall of 1908, but now known to 
				have occurred in late 1907). 
				
				OK, so are there any logistical problems with any of these eight
				
				theoretical events? 
				 
				No.  Bullet #4 is fully covered by Tom Noe’s 
				answers above.  I was always stumped by this issue: How could
				both Knutsen and Dyer claim that their harp guitar was 
				protected by the patent at the same time – with Knutsen even 
				claiming “sole patentee”?  As Tom explained, Knutsen 
				was still the "sole patentee" – he never transferred it, so 
				remained the sole owner of the patent for its fourteen-year 
				duration - and Dyer was still a licensee, allowed to claim 
				patent protection for their licensed product – with or without a 
				signature from the licensor.   As far as public perception, 
				Dyer’s customers would now no longer be aware of this "Knutsen 
				person" from the label – in fact, the new label “implies” that 
				Dyer owns the patent.  Nor would the public find any other 
				maker’s harp guitar labeled “Symphony” from here on out.  I can 
				certainly see Dyer pushing for such a deal, and Knutsen might 
				have stopped worrying or caring after a while - especially if 
				they sweetened the licensing fee.  
				None of this quite explains the “patent” inclusion 
				on the Dyer label after 1912.  In fact, Dyer never removed 
				the patent notice from their labels.  It is still there on the 
				highest serial number we have a photographed label from.  This 
				instrument is circa dated at 1922 in the old system, and in any 
				of my new timelines, still approaches 1920.  How did they get 
				away with it?  Well, as Tom explained, a patent holder was 
				allowed by law to leave a patent notice on a product even after 
				its patent had expired – and Knutsen himself did so, stating 
				“Knutsen’s Patents” on the post-1912 “New Hawaiian Family” 
				labels (which included a photo of an older harp guitar).  Dyer 
				must have followed suit, although they were in a much shakier 
				gray area.  A final frustrating fact is that Dyer included the 
				“Patented in U.S. & Canada” on the labels of the very first 
				to very last harp mandolins, even using them even on the 
				later (brand new) mandolas and mandocellos.  Tom Noe has no 
				answer for this one, it seems to be a completely fraudulent 
				claim.  
				
				Bottom line: We have two very different options here, one of 
				which requires a paradigm shift.  Neither is yet 100% provable. 
				Either the new 600 series Dyer label appeared in February, 1912 
				(as originally published by Bob Hartman), or it appeared in the 
				1906 to 1908 timeframe.  I favor the earlier timeline, and,
				after my latest serial number 
				statistical number crunching, have decided on mid-1908. 
					
					
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				E) The “lower bass point” harp guitars built by both Knutsen 
				and the Larsons
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						A key question for both Knutsen and Dyer/Larson fans is 
						of course “who influenced who” – did Knutsen come up 
						with this distinctive design, or did the Larsons? 
						
						If we consider the full 1906-1908 timeframe for 
						the label / 600-series switchover, then things are 
						cloudy, as it would depend on how accurately we could 
						pinpoint both Knutsen’s first instrument of this type 
						and the exact date of Dyer’s new license / label / 
						600-series. However, again, 
						after number crunching, I found myself choosing mid-1908 
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				Bottom line: I still have no proof, only a strong “gut 
				feeling” that Knutsen created this model, then the double-point 
				sometime in 1906, and that the Larsons briefly “copied” his 
				“lower bass point” design around the 
				middle of 1908. 
					
					
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				F) The strange case of the “Style 3”  |  
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							In the previous version of this article (June, 
							2011), this was an extremely lengthy and troublesome 
							discussion of how in the world Dyer’s “Style 3” 
							appears to have occurred a few years after the Style 
							4 through 8. As it is something Bob Hartman and I 
							thought long and hard on, I have
							archived it here. 
							
							However, since the discovery of Type 1 specimens 
							#120 and #125, I think we may be over-analyzing it.
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				The answer may be simply this: The specimen #125 
				(refer to my 
				
				Gregg’s Blogg article) finally 
				showed us that the label’s Style number did not include a 
				“U” or a “0” which we thought we were seeing on the identical 
				specimen 127. Instead, both turn out to be a Style 5. 
				Curiously, the plain appointments match the later Type 2’s 
				Style 4, not its Style 5 with top binding. But so what? 
				Obviously, Dyer/Larsons made a switch – a new ornamentation 
				designation system – when they brought out the Type 2. 
				 
				My guess? Simply that when the first Type 1’s were 
				built for Dyer (beginning with the theoretical serial #101), 
				someone chose a simple numbering system that arbitrarily 
				assigned “5” as the lowest style number. Maybe it seemed like a 
				nice round number, who knows? Remember that they were just 
				getting started and probably hadn’t yet come up with the 
				specifics on how many “models” (of ornamentation) they might do. 
				As two of the four known Type 1 instruments match the later 
				Style 7 ornamentation, we know that there were at least two 
				“models/styles” (again, just using the original Knutsen Symphony 
				form).  
				A couple years, later, by the time the Type 2 was 
				designed, they had probably come up with the idea of their four 
				(then five) different “Styles.” For whatever reason, “4 was the 
				new 5” (to use a modern expression). Style 4 was now the 
				plain model, and there was nothing below it. And they were 
				off and running.  
				When they later decided to do the new “Seattle 
				Knutsen”-like, short scale instrument, they had a dilemma. This 
				was not a new “style” of ornamentation on the same 
				instrument; it was a whole new body style “model.”  But, 
				for whatever reason (ability to just use the same labels?), they 
				simply assigned this new shape (which itself 
				occurred in a couple levels of ornamentation) its own “Style” 
				number. They could have picked anything – “3,””1,” even a word 
				like “Terz,” whatever. But they chose “3” which happened 
				to be adjacent to their existing lowest number.    
				Update, January, 2012: 
				
				The latest (sixth) Style 3 found (#610) is in the family of the 
				original owner, and family lore says it was purchased "about 
				1909." Accurate or not, that is 
				certainly close to my new proposed date of mid-1908! 
				 
				Update, January, 2013: 
				
				A seventh Style 3 has long been hiding right under our noses, 
				owned by the late Bob Brozman.  Curiously, it has a 
				somewhat later serial number: 673 (not a hard to read "613" but 
				definitely a "7" according to Bob. Without being able to see it, 
				I suggest that it is in fact "613".)  
				
				Bottom line: This is my current theory.  As far as why they 
				chose “3,” who knows (or cares)?  The dating, the timeline – 
				none of it matters for this discussion.  We just have to accept 
				that we were fooled by an apparent “sequence” – Bob and I were 
				looking at “3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8” and stuck thinking 
				“consecutively,” wondering where Styles 1 and 2 were!  Problem 
				solved…(?) 
					
					
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				G) Duplicate serial numbers  |  
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				We now know that harp mandolins duplicated the same sequence as 
				harp guitars, but several years later. Just a couple of these 
				duplications are known. We also have long had many reports of 
				duplicate numbers; however, the majority of these are still 
				unverified (see bullet B above). However, we now know that 
				mistakes do happen and that there are Type 2 Dyer harp 
				guitars with the same serial number, with two 
				distinct legible handwritten labels. Three examples appear in my 
				serial list above (denoted with “(2)”).Bottom line: 
				Please continue to photograph and submit your labels for 
				verification! 
					
					
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